Neuer Handhebler OE-1 von Odyssey Espresso ?

Diskutiere Neuer Handhebler OE-1 von Odyssey Espresso ? im Espresso- und Kaffeemaschinen Forum im Bereich Maschinen und Technik; dass das nachfüllen der maschine unter druck im prinzip ne geile idee ist um erhöhten kaffeebedarf in den griff zu kriegen ne pavoni schafft max....

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  1. cottec

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    dass das nachfüllen der maschine unter druck im prinzip ne geile idee ist um erhöhten kaffeebedarf in den griff zu kriegen
    ne pavoni schafft max. 2-3 espressi und dann kannste erst mal dampf ablassen und nach dem auffüllen neu aufheizen.

    leider nicht massentauglich mit dem festwasseranschluss, das ist meine kritik.
     
  2. honsl

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    Nur beim ersten Mal.
    Das ist bei jeder Maschinev am FW so.

    Wo konkret siehst du einen Nachteil?

    Meine praktische Erfahrung hat lediglich Vorteile aufgezeigt.

    Hast du eine solche "kleine" Maschine bereits am FW betrieben? Falls ja, was waren dMn Nachteile im Alltag?
     
  3. #83 Yoku-San, 05.07.2022
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    Kurzer Bericht eines Users, der sich die Maschine bei Ross mal anschauen und testen durfte, kopiert aus dem Coffeetime Forum:

    "I feel it’s worth giving a brief introduction here since I think this will go beyond the border of EAF and newer users might not be as familiar with my background. I’m a reasonably experienced home espresso user with a predilection for light to extremely light roast espresso. My taste is fairly demanding, and I’m not often satisfied by what I can find in even top tier cafe settings. I happened to be in Denver for a day and a half, asked Ross to meet up, and he was gracious enough to say yes without hesitation. I picked up a bag of Sweetbloom Hometown on my way in, totally blind, and headed over to the shop in the early afternoon.

    For those of you that haven’t followed too closely, it’s important for me to mention that the machine I’ve used is not a production model but a prototype of a machine that is nearing the finish line. There are a huge number of fit and finish updates, a very minor increase in size (if I understand correctly it will be about 13mm deeper and the next metric size up in stock for the top plate, which Ross can clarify dimensionally.) Additionally, it is possible there will be some minor revisions to the control system, which we discussed at length.

    The Good
    Size. The Argos, even with the minor size update, is absolutely tiny compared to the Cremina Ross had in the shop.
    Taste. We dialed quickly to the blend, which I haven’t had before. The balance of the shots was excellent, showing a competent water delivery and sufficient intrashot temperature stability.
    Consistency. Ross and I drank 7 shots over the course of about 4 hours. We refilled once as a result of a silly flush on my part. The first shot in each set was ever so slightly brighter than the following shots, something I’m reasonably confident most users wouldn’t notice. I’m not remotely confident I could pick them out blind. All remaining shots were close enough that I’m certain I couldn’t pick them out in a triangle test. These first shots were still excellent.
    Fit and finish. The parts that I’ve seen, including those on this rough prototype, are all looking quite good. Ross and I talked briefly about some of the potential changes like switches, a push/pull potentiometer with detents, a possible third led depending on steam switch, etc. The selected or potential parts look and feel great. There are some nice updates coming to fit and finish that Ross hasn’t shared yet, some of which came about as solutions to functional updates.
    Fill mechanics and lever feel. We only worked with the direct lever configuration. The fill of the group is awesome, with the air actively displaced through the check valve by the water. This leaves the lever pushing on water and feeling extremely premium. A Fellini is simple if more volume is desired, and my assumption is that puck disruption is pretty minimal with the check valve in the piston. The lever is long; even with my injured hand I didn’t have to strain to make amazing espresso. To be clear, I wasn’t trying to achieve high pressure. We didn’t record pressure settings because there are a ton of transducers in the shop and we didn’t want to fuss with picking the right one.
    Ross. He’s a mad man. Even at this moment he’s focused on making this machine amazing. We talked about a few potential changes that would require a minor hardware revision that he’s still considering to make it better, had long discussions about what a normal user workflow would look like, and both shared a functional narrative about how this machine works for people. He’s doing wonderful work and the revisions in place are extremely clever.
    Atlas. Shop dog is shop dog. He is a good boy.
    BIFL. Ross wants to get this thing right, and he wants you to own the Atlas as long as you want it around. The design is simple and robust.

    Thoughts on the Odyssey Espresso Argos

    The Not so Good
    It isn’t on my counter yet. Ross has a realistic view of what it will take to finish this project. I’ve been through some major project delays before, and I’m glad he’s working through them the way he is. I’m not going to share our private discussion about timeline, but I’m confident that the final deliveries will go well and Ross will deal with any issues that arise.
    First shot temp. This might bother some people, but I expect it to be revised based on the discussion with Ross. I don’t think it’s remotely an issue given how close the shots were, but an extremely fussy user might run the system slightly hotter for the first shot and at their ‘normal’ set point for subsequent shots. If I had to guess that shot is within 1-2c of every other shot, so not worse than the overwhelming majority of machines you’ll find at home.
    Setting Reasonable Expectations

    I do think it’s hard for people to separate what they think from what the Argos is, so I do want to lay this out as clearly as I can. The Argos, once delivered, is the absolute best value in the 1k price range, especially for US based buyers. That’s a personal opinion, but not a huge stretch. The temp control is transparent and seemed reliable, it’s easy to use and likely even easier in spring config, and it’s extremely robust. That being said, this is not a machine in the 2k or higher price bracket. It is extremely small, and if not plumbed in will take a daily refill. Some things may be slightly unintuitive, like steam escaping when you fill the group. I somehow couldn’t get my brain to stop wanting to lift the lever after a shot, despite having direct lever experience, which is totally on me but apparently a thing. I wouldn’t hesitate to recommend it to a friend, especially once Ross is shipping.

    All that being said, there are probably users that won’t be happy with the Argos. I can’t foresee every complaint, but a few things people may not love that come to mind would be the small boiler, the relative black box temp control, and counter presence. Most of these are related to the extremely simple user interface or small physical size of the machine, but if you accept it for what it is I think it will be well loved."
     
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  4. #84 Yoku-San, 15.07.2022
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    Aktuelles Update von Ross:

    Argos Update: July 12, 2022



    Hello all! I have done a horrible job with updates over the past month but I assure you that significant progress is still being made. We have finished hiring all of our Assembly Technicians/ Manager for this initial run of parts and plan to hire more in the future to keep up with demand.

    We decided to do a quick last minute trip to World of Coffee Milan. This was a fun experience where we had a small booth with the powdercoated units on display. It was a great opportunity to connect with other lever machine manufacturers as well as suppliers for Italian made products.

    While hardware is being finalized and procured, I am working on figuring out the best way to keep track of assembly and quality control tracking for when we start assembly. This will allow us to track which technician has performed each assembly task for each machine in the event of any defects or malfunctions.

    Hardware

    When sourcing on/ off switches we made a significant change from 2 toggle switches to a single on/off rocker switch next to the plug and a custom temperature knob with an integrated push switch into the knob. We like this design as it cleans up the back of the machine while integrating all temperature related control on a single knob. Users will be able to set the brew temperature from 85C-95C then push the knob in to turn up steam temp which will be indicated by a 3rd LED on the top.

    Previously exposed screws on the top of the machine have now been moved to mount the boiler to the top plate from the underside. This will clean up the overall look.

    Powdercoated parts have arrived and were on display at World of Coffee Milan. We are working on getting product photos for those options to add to the site. Anyone interested in changing from a stainless steel finish to the black or while color will be able to purchase the “Machine Color Add-On” from the site. This will go live when the photos are released and on the site as well, ideally by next week.

    An additional person has been brought on temporarily to help finish up drawings for production.
     
  5. #85 Wombatino, 21.07.2022
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    Geht wohl vorwärts. Bin gespannt auf die ersten Erfahrungen hier und hoffe, das die Maschinen bald erhältlich sind.
    $ 850,-- und verschiedene Federn 6 Bar und 8 Bar.

     
  6. Spaddl

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    Weiß man so grob wie es mit der aufheiz Zeit ausschaut und was man an Zoll/Versand und co. drauf zahlen müsste ?

    Bzw. hat schon jemand vorbestellt von euch ?
     
  7. Lancer

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    Das ist doch einfach berechnet.
    +/- an Versandkosten.
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    Posting von Odyssey Espresso auf Instagram von heute. In schwarz sieht die Maschine doch überraschend gut aus - und geht neben diesem Bomber von Kafatek fast unter :D
     
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    Eine Art Erklärvideo/Review gibt es noch nicht, oder ?

    Evtl. habe ich es überlesen, aber weiß man was mit einem Hebelzug ca. an Gebräu rauskommt, ich würde annehmen durch den/das größere/-n Siebträger/Sieb im Vergleich zu ähnlich Dimensionirten Handheblern (Pavoni und co.) wäre das ja nicht ganz verkehrt wenn da gut Wasser in die Brühgruppe(?) passt?
     
  10. #90 Andreas 888, 06.08.2022
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    Der Argos ist standardmäßig für einen doppelten Schuss Espresso (55 g maximale Ausbeute) ausgelegt.
     
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