Helor 101 Handmühle

Ich find die Mühle ja interessant, aber ne Sammelbestellung lohnt da doch kaum.
Man spart vllt 20$ Versandkosten und 16$ an der Mühle. Dafür bräuchte es dann in Deutschland weitere Versandkosten in Höhe von 5-7€ und zudem kommt noch Zoll drauf, welcher bis 150€ nicht anfällt. Einfuhrumsatzsteuer kommt so und so drauf, allerdings fallen schonmal Kleinpakete unten durch beim Zoll, Sammelbestellungen wohl eher weniger.

 

Und es sollten also schon 11 Bestellungen sein.
Wer organisiert das wie, in Vorleistung gehen für 11 Mühlen oder das Geld einsammeln.
Dann die Weitersendeaktion und vielleicht gefällt sie dem ein oder anderen nicht.

Ich fände die Chance keine EUst zu zahlen viel verlockender.

 

thank you for your support!

If mailing ten unit once, I guess taxes will be high.
The first one sent to Germany, no tax, I guess because of the number is small.
we are only responsible for goods issue, and bear the risk of shipping damage. Taxes are not included , German customs may ask you pay taxes

 

Hi @burnt:
Transportation costs are determined according to weight and volume, 29USD for one grinder.
If transportation 5-10grinder, transportation costs will be higher, the average will be lower.

 

Helor 102 is currently being tested, it can not be exported yet.
It should be noted, Helor 102 references the HG-ONE concept, but the structural design is new. For example:
Integrated body, means do not adjust concentricity
Stepless adjustment
Heve cover plate, have no jumping beans
A variety of optional reduction ratio
……

 

Helor 101 have two different kinds of burrs：Traditional Burrs and Modern Burrs.
Traditional burrs is more suitable for coarse grinding, such as pressure and hand-drawing method of powder;
Modern Burrs is more suitable for fine grinding, such as espresso and mocha pot powder.
The above range mouthfeel better performance.
However, these two knives are capable of grinding all thickness from Turkey to espresso.
Traditional burrs made in China ,made of stainless steel（Can be washed）, the hardness is lower than modern Burrs.
Modern Burrs made in Italy,not stainless steel（Can not be washed）.

 

Ich denke wir konnen besser einzeln bestellen oder...

 

I am also interested in your Helor 101 grinder, Quality seems really good.
But I second the comments of other users, that the price is slightly too high, compared to local manufacturers with local warranty regulations.
In Europe, in addition to Import taxes, we also have to pay import customs for goods more than 150€, and that includes the shipping costs!

If we calculate the overall costs for the grinder with both Burrs + shipping, we end at 169$+29$=198$ (180€)
Even if the shipping costs won't be listed in the invoice, we will end at 154€
So european customers only will be "safe" (below 150€) if we order the grinder with standard Burrs.

Like you said in another comment, we may have luck and don't have to pay any tax or customs.
But in the worst case, the overall costs will be in a range where we can also buy local products with local warranty handling and similar grinding results.

 

Tendiere inzwischen auch eher zur Einzelbestellung...

 

@dr.dopi

hattest du schon Gelegenheit das "Standard" Mahlwerk zu testen?
Bei mir dürfte der Haupteinsatzzweck das Handbrühen sein, also Filter, Stempelkanne etc.
ggf. möchte ich mir aber auch mal die Bayreuther Kanne kaufen.

Es sollen möglichst wenig Fines im Mahlgut sein.
Die Comandante C40 soll in dieser Disziplin ja sehr gut sein.
Darum würde mich interessieren, ob die Helor 101 mit dem Standardmahlwerk hier mithalten kann.

Für mich hätte es den Vorteil, dass ich die relativ günstige Standardvariante ordern könnte, mit der ich inkl. Versandkosten bei unter 150€ liege.

 

I am looking forward to see more of the Helor 102. The HG1 design seems like a very good one, and is the only modern design I know of with a vertical lever for a fixed installation but at the cost of a very high price. Some innovation there would be nice.

Cheers!

 

@Helor: Concerning pricing, you might want to have a look at this website: http://www.zoll.de/EN/Private-indiv...ue/consignments-of-negligible-value_node.html

It basically says that goods sent to Germany are free of customs duties, if the goods value as stated on the customs declaration is less than €150 (don't include the shipment cost on the customs declaration or it will be added to the goods value). If you don't add a customs declaration form, the total amount on the invoice including shipment will be used as goods value.
So, to keep the cost reasonable for German customers, you should try to keep the price below €150 and add a customs declaration form to the package, so that only the goods value but not the shipment cost will be considered by German customs.

 

Nicht ganz richtig, es würde keine ZOLLgebühr anfallen was eh nur wenige Prozent sind, Einfuhrumsatzsteuer aber schon, davon sind nur Mindermengen bis ca. 26 EUR nochwas ausgenommen. Und die 150 EUR werden auch eh nicht zu unterschreiten sein, denn bei der Ermittlung des maßgeblichen Warenwertes zählen auch die Versandkosten incl..

 

Danke für den Hinweis, ich hab's korrigiert.

 

Die günstigste Variante (Standard Mahlwerk, normale Lager), würde mit Versandkosten bei unter 150€ liegen. Aber schon wenn man die Keramiklager hinzufügt liegt man knapp darüber (inkl. Versand). Vielleicht gibt es ja hier die Möglichkeit über einen kleinen Foren Rabatt unter den 150€ zu bleiben?

 

Or you could ask for a handling fee for international shipments... Say 25€, thus the price of the grinder and transport would be reduced by the handling fee for the purpose of taxation, thus falling below the tax limit.

cheers

 

Thank you for interestting Helor 101

For overseas express delivery, we usually declare the value of goods is 20USD , to avoid being taxed, because it is not a very common products, so that customs do not know how much the goods worth.
However, we assume some risk :if the goods are damaged during transport, courier compensation will be relatively low.
For 5-10 pieces transport, even if we declare 20USD, Customs will not believe that

 

@Helor

Do you include the printed invoice in the box for shipping, or do you just send the grinder without anything else?
Because if there is just the grinder in the box, and you declare 20$ value, the customs might think it's a private parcel - what is good for us, because we probably don't have to pay any additional tax.

Another question regarding the different Burrs:
You say, that the traditional Burr is best for brewing coffee, while the modern is better for Espresso.
But in General, the traditional Burr is also able to produce fine Espresso/Mocca powder?
Could you explain that?

For the traditional Burr:
For the French press, you need relative coarsely grinded coffe with as less as much "fines" (fine coffee powder).
And even for filter coffee the amount of fines should be reduced as much as possible to achieve the best taste.
Do you have a feeling how much fines your 101 grinder with traditional Burrs produces (compared to other grinders), if the degree of grinding is more coarsely (for filter coffee and French press)?

 

You should better delete that.

 

@Helor
What type bearings are your standard bearings, manufacturer and description?
If it was a european 2rs type bearing I would not be concerned about using the standard bearings.

Thanks